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Масло за автоматична скоростна кутия AISIN!

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Масло за автоматична скоростна кутия AISIN!

Мнение от TIN » 29 авг 2018, 16:01

Моля за информация за интервалите на смяна и типа масло на автоматична скоростна кутия AISIN BVA_AX6III_CEMO
Колата е тази от подписа - 2016г.

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Мнение от Fantomas ^ » 18 сеп 2018, 10:15

За автимобилите на PSA след ~2009 , които са EURO 5 , казват вече да се слага масло покриващо стандарта JWS 3324 (AW-1) а НЕ JWS 3309, както беше на старите Aisin АМ6!

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Total Fluidmatic MV LV - 1 е такова масло например.
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Мнение от Stuman » 18 сеп 2018, 15:38

Това същото даже хо гледах за 16лв/литър. :)

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Мнение от Fantomas ^ » 18 сеп 2018, 15:45

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Мнение от TIN » 08 ное 2018, 13:48

За който се интересува прикачен изпращам отговора, който получих от производителя на кутията.
Маслото което препоръчват да се използва е AISIN “Premium ATF6”. Има го в България.
Вносителят е www.elitcar.bg


Dear Todor Notov,

Our Japan office recommends to change ATF every 20 000km or 2 years. (not 200 000km) J Let’s tell it is for old generation transmissions.



The last generation transmissions perform better and the interval of fluid change is longer. Actually we discuss internally in European office to give different recommendations, better adapted to EU market and OEM guides.



The recommendation of VAG automatic to change every 60,000km seems very reasonable and adapted. But we don’t believe in “life time” oil. It means till the moment the transmission is broken. But the life time of the ATT can be longer if your change the ATF.



Please, read below an article pasted by our product manager about this topic. It explains in details the why’s and the how’s for ATF change =>


How Often Do You Need to Change Your Automatic Transmission Fluid?



The need to change the automatic transmission fluid in your vehicle at intervals is often overlooked, especially in regions like the UK where automatic transmissions are far less prevalent than, say, the US. Most people are aware that their engine oil needs changing on a regular basis. When it comes to the transmission, however, they may leave the fluid unchanged until things start going wrong.

In other words: until it's too late.

In truth, there are many issues an automatic transmission can suffer that no amount of oil changes will prevent. But given the cost of repairing (or worse, replacing) an automatic transmission, it's not worth risking the issues an oil change can prevent.

Now, before we get into the when, let's look at the why.
Why You Shouldn't Ignore Your Automatic Transmission Fluid Change Interval

It's tempting to just let it slide, but stay strong. Get that transmission serviced.

Automatic transmissions are very complicated beasts. A manual transmission is basic by comparison, and most of the things that go wrong with them are down to driver error, or at least exacerbated by the driver. With an automatic gearbox, however, you shouldn't even be able to drive it "incorrectly," for the most part. Maybe if you tried really hard.

There is far more going on inside an automatic, and that means far more that can go wrong, no matter how you drive.

And your transmission fluid is central to all of it.

The oil in your automatic gearbox is not merely a lubricant to keep those moving parts moving. It is also responsible for powering the internal hydraulics of the transmission, and keeping the whole thing cool. In short, it goes everywhere.
Hydraulics

The magic of an automatic transmission is mostly done via hydraulics. There is much more to hydraulics than I'll be going to go into here. In short, pressurised fluid moves components within the gearbox. This is achieved by directing said fluid through a number of small channels within the gearbox. During circulation, your fluid may pass through gauze filters, metering valves, and any number of small orifices. Not to mention several larger components such as torque converters and transmission fluid coolers.

So why does this affect your automatic transmission fluid change interval?
Debris

The unavoidable fact of a clutch is that it will wear down over time. And automatic transmissions have several clutches. The point of a clutch is to "slip." But slipping causes some of the material on those clutches to rub away. This debris has nowhere to go but into the fluid itself. There are also other sources of debris with the gearbox, such as bearings and moving components that wear down over time.

Debris will get into your transmission fluid. That is an inevitable fact of how moving parts work.

Transmission fluid collects debris over time. If left unchanged, this debris can build up to the point where it can really cause problems for your transmission.

Transmission fluid collects debris over time. If left unchanged, this debris can build up to the point where it can really cause problems for your transmission.
Blockage

You may have already pieced the two significant details together here. Debris-filled fluid being forced through small channels, orifices, and filters is a recipe for disaster. As the debris builds up it will start to impede the operation of certain parts of the gearbox. This can manifest in sticking valves, causing a harsh or delayed gear change. It can cause completely stuck valves, resulting in the complete loss of one or more gears.

The worst outcome from this debris, however, is a significant blockage of the transmission's main filter. The filter is there to prevent this very debris from recirculating through the transmission, but this also means that all of the fluid passes through it. If all of the fluid used to power the transmission passes through one point, which then becomes blocked... well, you get the idea.
Chain Reaction

A blocked filter can cause a transmission to lose drive all at once on rare occasions. More likely, however, the debris will build up slowly. A partially blocked filter will only partially starve the transmission of fluid, and that is actually worse than completely starving it.

The fact that transmission fluid powers everything means that a transmission getting no fluid can't damage itself. A transmission getting insufficient fluid may have enough power to apply the clutches... partially. If a clutch isn't applied properly, it will slip more than it should, causing more debris to get into the fluid. This causes the filter to become clogged more quickly, leading to a loss of drive.

The difference here being that a sudden filter blockage may be repaired with an oil flush and a new filter. A loss of drive that has been coming on gradually will almost certainly require a complete transmission overhaul.

An expensive proposition to say the least.
What is Your Automatic Transmission Fluid Change Interval?

You've resisted the urge to skip the service... but when should you do it?

Hopefully the previous section has convinced you to adhere to your automatic transmission fluid change interval... but what is the interval? That's a little trickier. There are many, many, automatic transmissions out there, and they all have different service intervals.
In General

The first thing to bear in mind is that over-doing it with automatic gearbox oil changes is never a bad thing. You won't harm your transmission by changing the oil more often than the manufacturer recommends. The low end for an automatic transmission fluid change interval is around 30,000 miles (a little under 50,000 km). If you can't find the service interval for your particular transmission, you could do a lot worse than to just use this interval as your guide.

Other typical service intervals are 60,000 miles (approx 96,000 km), and 100,000 miles (approx 160,000 km). 60,000 miles is not an unreasonable interval. 100,000 miles is pushing it, however. If your transmission's manufacturer claims their product is good for 100,000 miles between services, I'd take their recommendation with a grain of salt. Which brings me to our next point.
"Lifetime" Oil

Some transmissions, particularly in BMWs, claim to be sealed units that carry "lifetime" oil.

The claim means that :

a) you shouldn't be opening the transmission up, and

b) it will never need a fluid change. Needless to say, you would be better off ignoring this claim. There is a strong chance that "lifetime" oil claims are technically accurate on the basis that the transmission will fail mechanically before the oil ever needs changing.

The fact that your oil was still fine when your transmission imploded will be little comfort, however.
Change it Anyway

As mentioned above, there really is no downside to changing your automatic transmission fluid more often than is recommended. Well, other than the cost of a transmission service. Mechanically, however, your transmission will thank you. The added bonus to changing your fluid regularly is that you (or your mechanic) can get a better idea of your transmission's health. For example, if your transmission fluid is black and smells burned, there is likely a problem internally. This is a very simple indicator of the health of your gearbox, but it can only be done if you get a sample of the oil.
Can Changing Your Transmission Fluid Cause Damage?

It provides you or your mechanic with the opportunity to catch any fluid leaks from your transmission. Many of these leaks are very small and slow, and are easily missed because they don't leave puddles of transmission fluid on the garage floor. It's easy to check if the fluid is low on transmissions with a dipstick, of course. Transmissions without a dipstick will require you or your mechanic to be under the vehicle in order to change the oil, so a visual leak check can be performed.

If your transmission has a dipstick (most modern transmissions don't) then it is certainly worth at least checking the level and condition of your transmission fluid at least as regularly as the engine oil.

It never hurts to catch a transmission fault early.



Kind regards,

Natalia KASYANENKO

Area Sales representative

Assistant Sales Manager

After market Division



AISIN EUROPE SA

Avenue de l'Industrie, 21

1420 Braine-l'Alleud / Belgium

TEL: + 32 2 389 43 27

GSM : 32 476 87 00 12

Fax: + 32 2 387 06 33

email: natalia.kasyanenko@be.aisin-europe.com

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http://www.aisinaftermarket.eu

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Мнение от bigdodo » 08 ное 2018, 22:09

За автоматична или роботизирана кутия става въпрос?
Когато караш Citroen,сякаш летиш на Concorde!

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Мнение от Stuman » 08 ное 2018, 22:12

Автоматика АМ6. Моля да сложите писмото и в темата за АМ6. Много добра информация от първа ръка. :)

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